0% emission Vipers/ How serious are you about flipping off OPEC?

[Andrew/USPWR]

Would you put your money and time where your mouth is, to kiss off OPEC? Would you sell or moth balling your current Viper, for an all electric Viper Super Car?

If DC took the lead and had CAAP a produce a high performance but not heavily tested, 0% emission Viper, would you be willing to be one of the first to pay $80k for it and be their test team? This would mean, much like the first RT/10 owners, you’d be willing to be part of the real world testing of this car and not be upset with the many bugs that would have to be worked out over the next few years.

Of course these cars would be beautiful like something out of the movies “I Robot” or “Minority Report”.

Or
http://www4.forum.viperclub.org/show...o=&fpart=1



2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

[DEVILDOG]

NO. First, IMHO OPEC is not the problem or reason for high(matter of opinion) oil/gas prices. It's supply and demand plain and simple. World demand is increasing with the expansion in China and India and other countries developing over time and increasing their energy(oil/gas) requirements. The Middle East countries have one resource/economy and that is oil. America uses most of it and I don't think we can blame them for making what they can while they have it. Once it's gone they will have nothing but sand. If we had the oil here and exported it we would charge for it too...that's capitalism. Second, I'll stick with my gas guzzling, large displacement, kick asp, internal combustion engine until there is not a drop of oil remaining. Electric power is too slow, quiet and boring. Besides, who says electric recharging is cheap? My electric bill last month was $650 with 2 brand new A/C units with 13 seer rating. Needless to say, I spent a lot less for gas last month in comparison.

[twinturbo3150]

I think it is the Opec's fault of such high gas prices. Espically when them come out and brag that they made 10 billion dollars last year.

[Cop Magnet]

If OPEC only made 10 billion last year, gas would be $0.35 per gallon.

[twinturbo3150]

.35 is good to me.

[Warfang]

Would you put your money and time where your mouth is, to kiss off OPEC? Would you sell or moth balling your current Viper, for an all electric Viper Super Car?

If DC took the lead and had CAAP a produce a high performance but not heavily tested, 0% emission Viper, would you be willing to be one of the first to pay $80k for it and be their test team? This would mean, much like the first RT/10 owners, you’d be willing to be part of the real world testing of this car and not be upset with the many bugs that would have to be worked out over the next few years.

Of course these cars would be beautiful like something out of the movies “I Robot” or “Minority Report”.

Or
http://www4.forum.viperclub.org/show...o=&fpart=1

I'd be all for it. I don't care what it runs on, as long as it runs fast, and it has to have outrageous styling.

[Bill B]

When Tesla opens in Miami in late 07 I will go and take a serious look.

[FE 065]

Why do you propose paying $80K for a not heavily tested vehicle?

I worked as GM test driver for 10yrs..be careful what you wish for, especially in today's hi-tech cars. A partially sorted out car can be a real monster.

[Warfang]

Why do you propose paying $80K for a not heavily tested vehicle?

I worked as GM test driver for 10yrs..be careful what you wish for, especially in today's hi-tech cars. A partially sorted out car can be a real monster.

All the more reason to keep it LOW TECH

[Bonkers]

I think it is the Opec's fault of such high gas prices. Espically when them come out and brag that they made 10 billion dollars last year.

Exxon made $10b last year, one of many, many super-rich oil companies.

But if you made $10b on widgets last year you'd be really pissed off if the government came in and said you could only sell for $.35/ea.

OPEC is just doing what anyone here would be doing - making a mint while the market is good. I can't fault them for a second - its our own danm fault were're paying so much for gas and I for one have no issues with suffering the consequences.

[Andrew/USPWR]

Why do you propose paying $80K for a not heavily tested vehicle?

I worked as GM test driver for 10yrs..be careful what you wish for, especially in today's hi-tech cars. A partially sorted out car can be a real monster.

When GM came out with their electric car back in the day. They would only sell to people with 2nd cars and who would work with them on feedback.

I’m just saying, we’ve let OPEC get us by the short hairs and they increase and decrease the supply side of “supply and demand” to squeeze us for all we got. I’m personally willing to under take some hardships to get America back in control of our future.
America has suffered enough hardship to create freedom from hardship we didn’t create to have to put up with this crap. The Middle East needs to start creating their share of world products and services, other than just sucking it out of the ground, and I’d like to be part of putting them on notice.




2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

[twinturbo3150]

Exxon made $10b last year, one of many, many super-rich oil companies.

But if you made $10b on widgets last year you'd be really pissed off if the government came in and said you could only sell for $.35/ea.

OPEC is just doing what anyone here would be doing - making a mint while the market is good. I can't fault them for a second - its our own danm fault were're paying so much for gas and I for one have no issues with suffering the consequences.

whats a widget?

[NHL2133]

Exxon made $10b last year, one of many, many super-rich oil companies.

But if you made $10b on widgets last year you'd be really pissed off if the government came in and said you could only sell for $.35/ea.

OPEC is just doing what anyone here would be doing - making a mint while the market is good. I can't fault them for a second - its our own danm fault were're paying so much for gas and I for one have no issues with suffering the consequences.

Exxon/Mobil made $10.71 Billion in the 4th quarter of 2005, and $36.13 Billion in total for 2005.
Exxon posted it's earnings report for the second quarter, $10.36 billion, second highest ever by a US company in one quarter (the first being Exxon in Q4 2005).

[PatentLaw]

To answer your question...if it were technically possible with a minimum of drawbacks.....yes.

[ViperGTS]

75% of our fuel price is TAX.

[GTS Dean]

What percentage of your fuel tax is used to expand & maintain that fabulous road network you enjoy?

Here in th US, less than 40 cents out of the $3/ gal is collected as user fees. 18.4 cents is the federal portion, and NONE of these taxes are indexed for inflation. Furthermore, nearly 20 percent of the federal portion is skimmed off the top for bus and commuter rail subsidies.

[Vic]

I'm going to take a look at the Tesla also. I wanna charge it off my roof solar system. What with all this supposed global warming, or just a really hot summer, (whatevah), we're having some extreme sunshine, and that's free energy! After the costs of a solar system installation, and a $100K electric car, I figure I'll break even after only 35 years!

If a lot of people buy electric cars, the gubmint won't have as much tax revenue from gas, so I bet they find a way to tax the sunshine.

[Warfang]

I was ready to get the tesla until I realized:

1. It looks too much like the Elise
2. 0-60 is impressive, but not top speed(130)... how long does it go from 60 to top?
3. It would take too long to charge. Couldn't go on a cross country drive with it.

[Andrew/USPWR]

If a lot of people buy electric cars, the gubmint won't have as much tax revenue from gas, so I bet they find a way to tax the sunshine.

_______________________________________
Don't think they haven't thunk of it.



2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

[thebigsnake]

America should just make an effort and find an alternative fuel to power cars. Then OPEC and that whole region of the world will go back to being poor and harmless again.

[Andrew/USPWR]

America should just make an effort and find an alternative fuel to power cars. Then OPEC and that whole region of the world will go back to being poor and harmless again.

LOL. The truth shall set you free:-)




I just don’t see the world running on combustible engines 50 years from now. Even if prices did go back down to the $1.00 a gallon range. We still Gore & Company telling the world our car are killing the planet. As always, America will take the lead. Again.



2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

[Tom, F&L GoR]

The problem is the elegant transition to the "other" fuel.

When I started working at Texaco, they had an engine program that combined a diesel fuel injection system, an alternating current spark ignition system, an ignition trigger off a fuel injection sensor, and a high swirl intake port. This "Texaco Controlled Combustion System" configuration was such that swirling air was brought to the spark plug, fuel was sprayed at the spark plug, and the trigger started a long duration mulitple spark for as long as fuel was being sprayed.

The cylinder head was flat, like a diesel, and the piston had a cup in it, like a diesel. The idea was to create tremendous spin of the charge at TDC. The compression ratio was a modest 13:1. One operating parameter was being unthrottled, like a diesel. It didn't care what the air-fuel ratio was because the positive ignition would light it off no matter what. Consequently, fuel economy approached that of a diesel.

The beauty was that it would also run on any liquid fuel. We ran it on alcohol, gasoline, diesel, motor oil, and numerous other things, all without any adjustments. The injection pump delivered a fixed volume per stroke, so when using alcohols it ended up being down on power because it couldn't deliver enough fuel. And for high density fuel like oil, it would smoke. But that was a hardware issue only and didn't keep the engine from starting and running fine.

Texaco developed it during WWII in an effort to eliminate the need for high octane in fighter planes. (Notice fuel list above varies in octane and cetane.) It came too late for the war, but the idea went on. Various agencies including the Army, Post Office, and UPS sponsored research programs.

Driving it was more like a diesel. Lots of torque, a little short on the top end relative to the gasoline version because the intake port was creating swirl and somewhat restrictive.

In the end, about 1985, the EPA killed it because of emissions. Hydrocarbon emissions were higher because the flat head and flat piston created a huge quench area. They also had a cow about how to measure emissions because it changed when the fuel changed. And at the time nobody could agree what the emissions targets should be when running on, say, alcohol.

But it would have reduced fuel consumption by 20%, and a further 15% or so because refineries wouldn't have to make anything special like gasoline. It would have let any entrepreneur create their own fuel supply - french fry oil, natural gas pipeline condensate, used motor oil, old solvents, you name it and it would be a fuel. Perfect for letting supply and demand dictate fuel costs - when one fuel became expensive, another fuel could be purchased instead.

Technically, today's Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI) engines are a lot like the TCCS design. They have swirl port designs, manage the air-fuel ratio inside the cylinder, and can run really lean. Their handicaps are catalytic converters that operate under lean exhaust conditions, and they still use a single or short spark duration, so only gasoline can be used.

But it would be interesting to put an AEM on one, with a drag race multiple spark ignition system and try it.

[Andrew/USPWR]

That’s wild Tom.

I wonder it they’re looking at some of that technology, the Gov. brushed aside when gas was $25 a barrel, and lowering emissions was more important than people working and eating.

We need to think seriously if we’re going to continuing to make rogue nations stronger because of our unwillingness to dig holes in our nation, or change technology.





2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

[GTS Dean]

That’s wild Tom.

I wonder it they’re looking at some of that technology, the Gov. brushed aside when gas was $25 a barrel, and lowering emissions was more important than people working and eating.

Still the same story.

[Vic]

Great post, Tom. Fascinating stuff.

[Yellow32]

Naw,

Just rely on our own resources and keep on driving what ya got.

Coal to Liquids is coming (already here in some cases), the DOD is behind it:

http://www.westgov.org/wieb/meetings...ionalbrief.pdf

-J

[Andrew/USPWR]

Naw,

Just rely on our own resources and keep on driving what ya got.

Coal to Liquids is coming (already here in some cases), the DOD is behind it:

http://www.westgov.org/wieb/meetings...ionalbrief.pdf

-J

If America find an alternatives over oil, the rest of the world will follow.
Saudi Arabia and Venezuela will all have to go out and find jobs. That worth it to me.




2005 Silver SRT/10
2000 Steel Gray GTS (sold)

[C-Note]

My Viper is zero emisions right now, its not running.

[Vic]

My Viper is zero emisions right now, its not running.

LOL! heh heh, good one....

[Bonkers]

My requirements for a fun car are pretty simple:
300 miles range
15min fuel refill
0-60 in 5sec
1/4 in 12sec
Top speed 150mph+
Lateral skid 0.95+
Rear wheel drive
<$40,000 MSRP
and looks better than a toyota.

Whether it drives on gas, diesel, alchohol, hydrogen, windex, fisson flux capcitor... it makes no difference to me.