any video genius out there in the viper world?

[2000_Black_RT10]

If there are any IT folks or computer programmers, software, hardware, etc.. reading this post, none of us would be able to do this stuff without that core foundation. Can't write programs on a computer if the computer hasn't been programmed to do it.. We're just software users in that regard.. heck, I wouldn't be able to write this reply in binary..

[Makara]

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

If you're not going to explain what you do.. then what do you think it may imply to others?

I thought in our PMs I sent you brief description of what I do. You also asked about getting into the film industry and I asked a few questions about what you could do so I could better direct you.

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

I am trying to be polite here, you keep putting words in my mouth.. but I can take it.. So if you think I was swinging it with that cube and text, heck.. let's go at it then because I'll have step it up to save face since you keep repeating absurd accusations.. Looks like you thought I was an amateur in the CAD world so you became a bit too harsh with some issues don't you think? I laughed at myself with that image, hoping you would just do that also.. I think we need to expose a few things..

I only reiterated why I posted in response to what I thought was an attack on me. Others did as well. Was it, was it not? I don't know. You have to admit that one could read it the different ways in that context. Warfang seemed to want to press the issue so I just wanted to set me reasoning straight as well as defend why I just threw something together.

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

In other words, you are exaggerating the capability to create 3D data with that Viper image. You're scanning stuff that is already made, or you get your hands on real CAD data which you can tessellate (i.e. Geomagic, etc..). Heck I saw a demo of scanning a real life tree used in animations, it's cool technology that's for sure.

No, not really. As you said, "try that makara" I didn't feel the need to go all out. I could have in less time posted a screen capture of a half cube. Perhaps I should have

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

So reviewing that Viper image you posted.. what did you actually create? This is a direct question. The tires are scanned, the fenders, hood, doors, fascias, etc.. and what is left over? Looks to me like a body which is a cube, the hands look cool, but I bet that is scanned data also. There's just extruded geometry behind the panels and rockers for the legs and some text.

The viper was just a ready made model that was low rez. For a test I did, I made it fully transformable from that car to the robot and designed a brief action sequence involving a few transformers, a chase, fight and so on. I don't really want to post that online. The resolution and models really don't matter that much in what I did. It is more about the story telling, cinematography, and so on.

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

The point I am trying to make is illustrating creativity of creating 3D data, you rely on scanning equipment and software for rendering. Compare my quick wheel image to your image, the quality of that data will always be better than that data because it's real CAD surface b-spline / nurb data, not triagulated / facetted data nor a random nurb wrap (random surface / quilt type patches..). Sure you can "hide" your meshy triangulated data by increasing the density beyond what is visible on the TV screen, but in my world we have to make real production panels that look smooth in real life.

Yes, NURBS is/can be more "accurate" than polys. You have to understand though, even when you view one of your renders, it is most likely converted to polys in the rendering process, thought it may be transparent to the viewer. Like I said, I never wanted to turn this into a dick swinging contest. It seemed like I was being called out so I posted an image of something that seemed somewhat relevant.

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

There's a great effort in modeling a production engine block, including the water jackets etc.. or a cylinder head, or how about a car body panels from scratch understanding class A surfacing, G3/4 quality data, curvature in addition to tangency evaluating the reflection lines which establish curvature or styling of a vehicle..

I have no doubt. I have some friends that graduated from Cal Arts in Pasadena majoring in car design. That at one point was something else that I wanted to do, and respect.

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

You're elevating yourself far beyond compared to what we do in the real world in 3D.. then again, that must come much easier in your industry having only the quality or visualization boundaries of the TV or theatre screen, whereas our design boundaries include engineering (packaging, fea / cfd analysis, etc..) and manufacturing (stamping, molding, etc..), in such that our 3D data actually has to survive and function in real life as physical parts. There's surely piles of stuff I'm not aware of in making movies or animations (and I do respect that) in which this reply is specifically regarding 3D data.

No, I'm not elevating myself at all. To rehash, I rarely stop by this board any more but noticed the video thread a while back. I would have offered to help out but I'm in the middle of directing my own project and just up to my eyes in work. I did offer a brief suggestion and went on my way. The other night I was up editing late and the computer had to render some filters so I thought I would check out the m.org again. In my PM box was a link to your post which seemed to be a little bit of an F-U. I'm not putting words in your mouth, just telling you how I saw it. In all honesty, it was nice of you to try and help out. I've helped out members before with little things that they needed along those same lines and would have again had I the time. I did notice the lack of wipes and transitions that you had in your other videos if I remember right. That is a great step in the right direction.

If you are interested at all, I put up a little clip of some animation I did when I first got into the industry. Not a great movie but we got great reviews on the CG work.

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I'm not trying to start a **** slinging contest. Maybe it comes off that way. After all, I did read your comment in a way which you said you did not mean it.

[Limit]

I have a great video editor who does side jobs if you're still looking. I'm away until sunday. I don't know if you're paying for this or anything, but one of his works is:

Area51 Gaming - Media

He also did the whole playoffs:

Area51 Gaming - Media

PS: This is obviously a gaming video and not anything to do with cars. But it shows off his ability to manipulate video. Remember, he had to time songs with footage, and for the multiple players, sync all of the footage at the same time.

[2000_Black_RT10]

Originally Posted by Makara

I work in film because I enjoy making movies and always have as a kid.

Michael - I do apologize that this post ended up at it did, it's probably my fault for not being impeccable with the emoticon, easily misunderstood (as it was), especially in the forum world...

Regarding the quoted comment above.. I was a car enthusiast since the days of grade school (won a sicence fair in grade 8 with a wind tunnel project and model cars), now I am involved with something that I also wanted to do ever since I was a kid, mind you it's a tough world out there for creative folks like ourselves.

It's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned, and never did my PM imply an F-U, I was just showing off with an example.. as we all do in this competitive / survival based society to justify our existance.. I think it gets the best of us at times.. dog eat dog..

Keep showing off, and fight the battles., I look forward to the next one.

Best regards,
Mike

PS - some others can be a bit boring at times (sorry).. and I give you credit for getting me wound up a bit, but I enjoyed it..

[Makara]

Originally Posted by 2000_Black_RT10

Michael - I do apologize that this post ended up at it did, it's probably my fault for not being impeccable with the emoticon, easily misunderstood (as it was), especially in the forum world...

Regarding the quoted comment above.. I was a car enthusiast since the days of grade school (won a sicence fair in grade 8 with a wind tunnel project and model cars), now I am involved with something that I also wanted to do ever since I was a kid, mind you it's a tough world out there for creative folks like ourselves.

It's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned, and never did my PM imply an F-U, I was just showing off with an example.. as we all do in this competitive / survival based society to justify our existance.. I think it gets the best of us at times.. dog eat dog..

Keep showing off, and fight the battles., I look forward to the next one.

Best regards,
Mike

PS - some others can be a bit boring at times (sorry).. and I give you credit for getting me wound up a bit, but I enjoyed it..

You have to be kidding me. I won a science fair with a wind tunnel I made too. I'm not kidding. That is just way too funny.