Killer deal or scam?

[RayG]

eBay Motors: Dodge : Viper (item 120282332487 end time Jul-15-08 18:59:03 PDT)

[ViperTony]

Salvage title.

[Billy Coons]

Probably legit...he definitely wants you to call with questions and he's not trying to get you to purchase it outside of Ebay. Note the salvage title and any headaches that may go with it.

[RayG]

Oops, didn't notice the salvage title part. Minor detail!

[AZTVR]

Originally Posted by ViperTony

Salvage title.

Did you discover the salvage title from running a carfax?

I don't see that in the auction ad.

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Salvage title is clearly stated in the ad, combine that with 56,000 miles which I guess no one else noticed plus the Cognac interior which I happen to like but no one else does and he is right there as far as price. And I see no "outside of ebay" indications that would make me think it's a scam. It's also a pretty rare car, not too many black silvers with Cognac. Onlly a little over 100 black silvers total in 99 and 00.
Just checked the registry, car is one of 26 that year.

[ViperTony]

Originally Posted by AZTVR

Did you discover the salvage title from running a carfax? I didn't see that in the auction ad. I'd say that he has priced it with that salvage title in mind.

It's in the ebay section of the auction. The high mileage and cognac interior Lee mentioned, as well as the horrible wing, pretty much ruins it. Depending on the extent of the salvage nature, as well as removing the wing, it could be a decent deal. Who knows?

[AZTVR]

Originally Posted by AZTVR

Did you discover the salvage title from running a carfax?
I don't see that in the auction ad.

Originally Posted by Lee00blacksilverGTS

Salvage title is clearly stated in the ad,

Originally Posted by ViperTony

It's in the ebay section of the auction.

Seriously, The word "Salvage" does not appear anywhere in my IE browser window when I call up that auction website. I looked everywhere and I did a search on the page for the word Salvage.

The entry in the Description box for Title and VIN are not there as it is displayed to me.

I did a search and found his previous auction where his posts of questions shows that he obviously got annoyed with many emails and decided only to answer serious phone buyer's phone calls.
eBay Motors: Dodge : Viper (item 120278635471 end time Jul-10-08 18:13:53 PDT)

[AZTVR]

After a little more searching, I found where it looks like the previous owner sold it on eBay.
eBay Motors: Dodge : Viper (item 320259518889 end time Jun-10-08 10:08:45 PDT)

[johnk]

Originally Posted by AZTVR

Seriously, The word "Salvage" does not appear anywhere in my IE browser window when I call up that auction website. I looked everywhere and I did a search on the page for the word Salvage.

The entry in the Description box for Title and VIN are not there as it is displayed to me.

I did a search and found his previous auction where his posts of questions shows that he obviously got annoyed with many emails and decided only to answer serious phone buyer's phone calls.
eBay Motors: Dodge : Viper (item 120278635471 end time Jul-10-08 18:13:53 PDT)

1999 Dodge Viper Print Version


Title:99 VIPER GTS-R AWESOME,BLACK W/STRIPES AND NO RESERVE Mileage:57,000 miles Location:wake forest, North carolina
Vehicle Information
VIN:1b3er69e6xv503656 | Get the Vehicle History Report Inspection:Order an independent inspection Warranty:Unspecified Vehicle title:Salvage Condition:Used For sale by:Dealer



Not suggesting or discouraging the deal......... But I can read an Ebay auction.......
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[RayG]

I've driven that car! I was just commenting to my wife that the car was identical to the one we rented for our wedding. The rental place was in Mass. I notice in the old auction they say it came from Mass. Also the rental place told me after we had it somebody crashed it. That car has had a tough life! But it is gorgeous in person. I still have people telling me 8 years later that I should get a Viper like the one I had at my wedding.

[ViperTony]

Originally Posted by AZTVR

Seriously, The word "Salvage" does not appear anywhere in my IE browser window when I call up that auction website. I looked everywhere and I did a search on the page for the word Salvage.

The entry in the Description box for Title and VIN are not there as it is displayed to me.

I did a search and found his previous auction where his posts of questions shows that he obviously got annoyed with many emails and decided only to answer serious phone buyer's phone calls.
eBay Motors: Dodge : Viper (item 120278635471 end time Jul-10-08 18:13:53 PDT)

It shows up in the Vehicle information section when you switch to the new ebay motors view.

[dave6666]

Is it really a GTS-R like claimed?

[Cop Magnet]

I doubt it's a GTS-R. It says 450 HP. Basically stock with the Hennessy bolt-ons for show. It seems the seller is confused between a Venom 600 (which I doubt it is either) or a GTS-R.

BTW, I emailed the guy through eBay and asked if he understood what a "clean title" means. IMO, a salvage title is a salvage title, not a "clean" title. This is his reply:

dear *******...... title is CLEAN, NO BRANDS, NO SALVAGE, NO REBUILT.... C.L.E.A.N........ If you would like, i can fax you a copy of the title and you can see for yourself, then shove it up your ass. just send me a fax #. HAVE A GOOD DAY..


So now he's denying it is a salvage also. I would beware of this baby all around...

[RayG]

Just Ran the carfax
No abandoned title record No damaged title or major damage incident record No fire damaged title record No grey market title record No hail damage title record No insurance loss title record No junk or scrapped title record No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record No odometer problem title record Rebuilt/rebuildable title record(s) Salvage title or salvage auction record(s) No water damaged title record No NHTSA crash test record No frame damage record No recycling facility record
09/28/1999 BUFFALO, NY
US Dept. Of Transportation IMPORTED TO THE US / VEHICLE ORIGINALLY MANUFACTURED FOR NON US MARKET 11/03/1999 BUFFALO, NY
US Dept. Of Transportation PASSED US ROAD INSPECTION / BOND RELEASED 11/18/1999 ALVA, FL

3,177

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:0079827646) 11/18/1999 ALVA, FL
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL 03/09/2000 NORTH ATTLEBORO, MA
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL 03/24/2000 NORTH ATTLEBORO, MA

3,872

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:AU0168124) 07/01/2001 NORTH ATTLEBORO, MA
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL 11/13/2001 ON
Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL 11/21/2001 MA

48,568

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:AW0692253)
SALVAGE 06/21/2007 NEW ENGLAND REGION

49,185

Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION 06/22/2007 NEW ENGLAND REGION

49,185

Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION AS DEALER VEHICLE 07/05/2007 MA

49,430

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:BE650513)
RECONSTRUCTED
SALVAGE
PRIOR SALVAGE 08/20/2007 PIPERSVILLE, PA

49,486

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:65014528)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL 01/28/2008 PIPERSVILLE, PA
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:65014528) (Lien Reported)