I thought this interesting

[SUN RA KAT]

Very interesting... anyone know if any of the "facts" below are untrue?

This gentleman makes a heck of an argument for justification of a war with Iraq.

I asked a friend of mine who is in his 80's who was in the Korean War and World War II to give me a little history lesson and his thoughts today on War. I am sharing this because it is a different look at the War. Thoughts to think about: ........................

I'm not going to get into a history lesson. The short, short version is that the League of Nations (established after WW I to prevent wars) failed to stop Mussolini's Italy from invading and conquering Ethiopia. It failed to stop Japan from invading and conquering Manchuria and much of China. Their committees wrung their hands spoke in platitudes but did absolutely nothing to stop war.

At France's coaxing Britain's prime minister Nevil Chamberlain met with Adolph Hitler in Munich and surrendered the Sudetenland to [******] Germany in the interest of "peace in our time." The French and British watched as Germany took Austria, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia. They all had committee meetings and wrung their hands and talked of peace.

World War II erupted when [******] Germany invaded Poland. Britain had a mutual defense treaty with Poland so they couldn't escape. They declared war on Germany. Germany had a mutual defense treaty with Japan so Japan declared war on Britain. France wet their pants and surrendered to Germany as fast as they could and gleefully shipped all the Jews they could find to death camps in Germany to prove to Adolph that they really were on the side of Germany.

Japan attacked the United States and, because of Japan's mutual defense treaty with Germany, Germany declared war on the United States.

Up until December 7th and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a large number of our people were wringing their hands and saying, "Appease Hitler. He is really a good guy who just needed a little more land for his expanding population. The dear man just wants peace. And World War II was in full swing leaving better than 50,000,000 people dead including about 450,000 American soldiers and sailors.

Three cheers for the League of Nations!

After World War II it was decided to do the whole thing all over again. This time we would call it the United Nations and we will have committee meetings and hand wringing parties and make sure peace prevails throughout the land.

While that august body wrung hands the Soviet Union split Germany, invaded Poland and Yugoslavia, Rumania, Hungary and Bulgaria along with Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. The peaceful world saw Korea with 37,000 American soldiers killed, over 1,000,000 South Korean soldiers and civilians killed and the country nearly destroyed.

Since then we have had over 50,000 American soldiers killed in Vietnam and have fought wars in Somalia, Herzegovenia, Panama, Granada,plus the Gulf War when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

We should have gone into Baghdad and taken out that evil regime then but the United Nations would have no part of that. All they would allow was for us to chase the Iraqis out of Kuwait, then peace would prevail.

Now, here we are with Saddam violating all 17 United Nations resolutions while he has massed poison gas and bio weapons.

He is frantically trying to develop a nuke and his buddy, Kim Jong-Il of North Korea may give him a few. (It was the United Nations who prevented us from taking North Korea when the war was hot and we had the means to do it.
Peace!!!!!!!! Sure.

France is wetting their collective pants in fear that the United States will take Saddam out and along with him, France's 60 billion dollar contracts with Iraq. Russia hedges because Iraq owes them 6 billion dollars that they sorely need.

In answer to your question....... hell yes we should go to war with Iraq. We should have done it six months ago. We should also get out of the United Nations. Can you believe that the United Nations has appointed Iraq and Syria to head up the United Nations Disarmament Committee? Can you believe they have appointed Libya to head up the Human Rights Committee? All three of these countries are on the UN List of Terrorist States.............Absolutely unbelievable.

Just don't get me going. Throughout recorded history the only time peace has prevailed is when the good guys have militarily whipped the bad guys. Who are our best friends in the world? Japan because we whipped them. Germany because we whipped them. Italy because we whipped them. Britain because we whipped them.

This is one opinion, on the War but this is the eyes, ears and heart of an American Veteran...

[Tiepilot]

Bravo!
Hand wringers will always be just that, men and women with no concept or vision. Unfortunately people do not learn from experience where history is regarded.

[SUN RA KAT]

Bravo!
Hand wringers will always be just that, men and women with no concept or vision. Unfortunately people do not learn from experience where history is regarded.

Unfortunately the people who do not learn from from experience where history is regarded also includes the leaders and mis-leaders of countries.

[lleone]

The world hates us regardless of what we do.
The world will not protect us.
We should do what we need to do to protect ourselves.
The world will hate us either way.

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

The world hates us regardless of what we do.
The world will not protect us.
We should do what we need to do to protect ourselves.
The world will hate us either way.

Second that. Every word.

[Vreracing]

Remember when the Iranians held the hostages when Carter was President. As soon as Reagan got elected they released them.

Even though Patton was the most aggressive General he had the lowest casualty rate.

Nothing is gained by showing weakness.

[Torquemonster]

Gee I'd love to see the US pull out of the UN, pull its troops and money out of Germany, France, and every other nation that the US has bankrolled and defended that now protests against them. Then they can pull their money out of Russia and China - they'll never be loved by these people's no matter what they do - so let them make their own way in this world - but spend the money instead on the US, and on being the strongest, best equipped, mightiest force on the planet so that no SOB country dares to poke the US or her allies in the eye, let alone declare a war.

I reckon the US money could be better spent at home and that with her allies she should band together and form their own coalition of the free. Let the rest alone until they threaten the freedom of coalition members. Then crush them. Peace is not a language the freedom haters understand - and they're not willing to learn it either.

By the time France, Germany, and Russia have got themselves self-sufficient again - the US by re-directing its own wealth back home - will be in another technological leap ahead of these small penis syndrome, pant wetting and arrogant governments - and able to pick them off from space at will.

By the way - has anyone heard any of these protesting "pacifists" screaming out about Saddam's or Osama's autrocities?

[lleone]

Remember when the Iranians held the hostages when Carter was President. As soon as Reagan got elected they released them.

Even though Patton was the most aggressive General he had the lowest casualty rate.

Nothing is gained by showing weakness.

And everything is lost through weakness...

I'll never forget a political cartoon from the hostage era that should the pristine Soviet embassy next to the overrun US embassy. A burly comrade was at their gates saying "We simply do not allow such things."

[ElDiablo Viper]

Well if you ask...this is not true:
"World War II erupted when [******] Germany invaded Poland. Britain had a mutual defense treaty with Poland so they couldn't escape. They declared war on Germany. Germany had a mutual defense treaty with Japan so Japan declared war on Britain."

Britain and France had a treaty with Poland but all that they did was to send a telegraph to Hitler. England did not declare the war against germany till they knew that they will be attacked. Also many people don't know that the WWII was also started by Russians. Ribbentrop and Molotov agreed to attack Poland from both sides and met in the middle. How do I know? Because my family was there and lived to tell.

[lleone]

Ah "Molotov", however could anyone ever forget one with that name...