First on the scene of the accindent...cops do nothing!

[ElDiablo Viper]

On Sat I took my road bike for a nice ride. While during my ride I saw 2 cars in the middle of the intersection. I realized that the accident just happened as you could smell the airbag fuel. When I got closer I saw one girl on the ground and two others standing over her and crying. One girl was driving up the hill and was going to make a left while she was blinded by the sun coming over the hill so she did not se the Saturn coming down. They both collided. The Explorer and Saturn were quite a bit damaged. While the other girl and other people arriving made the call to 911. I and her friend tried to keep her awake as she kept on passing out. It was hard to be there and see 19+ old girl on the ground in the middle of the intersection. She looked fine with only a few bruises. She was apparently sitting on the back of the Saturn and thank God was wearing the seat-belts. Waiting for the ambulance and the cops seemed like forever. When the cops got there they did not look interested in the injured girl. They just called for the ambulance one more time while the other cop was giving a guy stuck in the traffic a ticket for expired inspection. WTF..we the civilians kept the girl awake and not moving and they did nothing. When the ambulance got there they were taking their time too...I don't understand it! Don't they care for the people? I'm not a doctor but she could have some internal bleeding or something. Are Cops and Ambulance people so immune to the human tragedy?
This accident really woke me up and made me think how lucky I am to be alive.

[FranciscoR.]

Well, the lack of reaction does kinda surprise me. I however don't think they would act like that unless they had a "reason". It could be they knew nothign was wrong, ( or seemingly more appropiate by what you say ) they were just being idiots. I just hope everyone turned out fine. Be it 19 or 90, it sucks seeing people in pain...( I know )

[Tom and Vipers]

Nowadays, it is probably not their job - there are others that do that sort of thing. This evolved probably out of a there's no profit in it attitude.

I know cops rarely help motorists any more. They radio for road side assistance.

I just talked to a friend of mine in W. Palm Beach and they just caught this guy who raped something like 100 women. He laughed because they could care less about that sort of thing. If they pursued crimes of that sort rigorously, they would go bankrupt. They only caught the guy because he was stupid enough to video tape his escapades and the tape got out and he was identified. I don't know how it is today, but some years ago, you got 1 point for every car you stole. You went to jail when you got 25 points. Of course if you had 1 oz of hooney, then they put you in a cell with Charley Manson.

[Frank 03SRT]

Maybe it is because of legal ramifications if a cop tries to help someone. If they screw up, they get in trouble. This sue happy society would never let that one go.

[Blue Pilot]

This summer I was in NY city doing recurrent training with my company and witnessed a bad collision on Queens Blvd.
A Bmw X-5 was hit by a car that ran a red light causing the Bmw to roll several times hitting a couple of ladies on the sidewalk. I was on the opposite side of the street (very large busy road) and could not get there to help. A NY city cop pulled up 30 seconds later, examined the situation and proceeded to pull out 2 plastic yellow blankets that they cover dead bodies with, and placed them completly over the two ladies as if they were dead. The cop never even checked for vital signs or to see if they were breathing.
About 4 or 5 minutes later, paramedics showed up, uncovered both women and found that they were still alive! This cop should have his badge removed. Later that day one women did die, and the other one died about a week later. It amazes me the lack of care and compassion that exists in the world today, especially from someone who took an oath to protect and serve the public.

[tim721]

tell me about it. i was going south on i95 thru connecticut 3 weeks ago and was about 10 cars behind a 4-car pile up. one girl was bleeding badly from her wrist so I helped her apply pressure until help came...cops show up, 10 mins later, and first thing he cares about is why we never "fully" pulled off the road. he's taking down plate numbers and writing people up & never even walked over to the car with the injured girl. sometimes they really do get immune...they'd rather write a ticket and help their quota...
TIM

[snowmann]

I don't blame the police, that really isn't their job. Likewise they can probably get sued up the yinger if they move that girls neck wrong. Police might take a bullet for you some day, don't bad mouth them.

[Yves]

I don't blame the police, that really isn't their job. Likewise they can probably get sued up the yinger if they move that girls neck wrong. Police might take a bullet for you some day, don't bad mouth them.

Correction : "Police might put a bullet into you some day, so don't provoke them."

90% of the cops here in the US are an insult to what this fine country stands for.

[Y2K5SRT]

While I have the greatest respect for the police and get along with many of them here in this area, I have come to a sad conclusion: Many are nothing more than uniformed "tax" collectors who have little concern for the general public.

We had an 18-year-old punk whose daddy gave him a new H2 for his high school graduation present. He regularly deals drugs out of it in the school parking lots near us. We even watched him make a couple deals in the elementary school lot across from us (but not to young kids, thank God). We reported him in the process and the police never showed up. Saw him again doing the same thing at the highschool (and yes, I know what large bag of weed looks like). While I am not a narc by nature, the arrogance of this punk was starting to piss me off. Again, no cops came while he was there for a half hour as school was letting out.

So a week later there are a couple cop cars in the elementary parking lot. I wander over and ask if they had busted the kid with the Hummer. Guess what? They hadn't heard a thing about it, even though it was on their regular beat. Sigh...

[Torquemonster]

In a free land - the Police reflect society.

That's scary! people should rise up against them and force change.

We have other problems in NZ, and we are heading in the same path - but as of today, it is still the normal for a cop at a scene to be compassionate to those suffering, doing what has to be done to make the scene safe from further crashes, take life saving action if there is risk of fire, and restore order to the chaos. Writing out parking tickets would be the last thing they'd do - they'd simply ask you to move it out of the way to make more room.

I've never met cops like described above - I don't think I could cope with that very well - they are a disgrace.

[snowmann]

I would love to see you bashers be a cop for a day... for all the abuse they take and the pay they get for it - I would love to see any of you take their job for a day and see how you like it. It's not easy getting shot at, punched and make 38K a year... And on top of that be hated and criticized for doing a bad job. If you don't like how they do their job why don't you guys be a cops? Yea didn't think so...

[FranciscoR.]

JF5, finally... Cops aren't perfect but it seems easier to bash something you don't understand, then to understand it. In this case, maybe cops did make a mistake or were unsensitive, but not all cops are likes that. And to generalize them as such is unfair. Cops get a bad rap almost anywhere they go. Sure people will show up to rallies and cheer for their local community safekeepers. But when doors close and rumors start rolling, faith and trust is lost quickly.

[Torquemonster]

I would love to see you bashers be a cop for a day... for all the abuse they take and the pay they get for it - I would love to see any of you take their job for a day and see how you like it. It's not easy getting shot at, punched and make 38K a year... And on top of that be hated and criticized for doing a bad job. If you don't like how they do their job why don't you guys be a cops? Yea didn't think so...

They do a job most don't want to do that is true. But I watched my father in the force for 25 years - and that makes me more qualified than most to say this:

A good cop who cares about good people, and is firm but fair with bad people - has the respect of BOTH! period!

If a cop has to pull a gun or throw a fist - he's lost the real battle already. A good cop can calm down 99% of situations by being calm and reasonable. Cops that pull a gun at any provocation are as bad as the criminals they lock up.

My father walked tall everywhere he went. He even had prisoners visit him after they had done their time for the way he had treated them. That didn't mean he was a softy. The first thing he did in town was find out who the baddest meanest SOB was and mark him. Once that one on one was over - nobody wanted any action anymore.

There is always the odd bad person that requires severe action - but they are the exception. Take a poll over the police forces around the country - the vast majority have NEVER in their career had to shoot someone! That means most of the time they have to deal with people and negotiate and reason.

If cops want respect they have to earn it. If they're gonna resort to public cynicism and contempt by hating the public - they deserve no respect. They will get respect and honour by being a respectible person, a fair and honest cop - not by just pinning on a badge.

If you are a cop - go be a good one and you'll get respect!

There is no excuse for cops ignoring someone who could be dying - it shows a complete lack of any human empathy and they are unfit for that job. Whether a cop is an agent of the state or a protector of the citizens comes down to what is inside them. They are being engineered more and more to become robot like agents of the state - but each cop has to allow that conditioning to put it into practice. They make their own choices.

[Blue Pilot]

Joseph, I think anyone with a little intelligence and common sense is smart enough NOT to want to do their job, especially for the kind of money they make. I sure am not going to put myself in harms way every day for 30 grand a year.
Most cops, not all, but most are on a power trip when they start their career in their early 20's. These people have this type of personality to want this kind of job. Just watch the television show Cops, and you can see the adrenaline rush they get when the chase is on, and how much they enjoy it. This brings a prime point of contention with me: High speed pursuits, and all the innocent people they injure or kill each year doing this foolish activity.
Don't get me wrong, not all cops are bad, but you have to ask yourself a question; How did they get this bad public perception in the first place? If they were all protecting and serving as they advertise, people would not have these ill feelings towards them. Have you seen what AAA has down in the two Florida towns? The AAA has erected huge billboards prior to entering these towns warning motorists of the speedtraps these towns have a reputation for. That says an awful lot about these local police departments.
Since I have complaints, here is my solution. I believe we should do away with all city, town, and county police departments, and go to one police dept. controlled by each state. Each town, city, etc. will pay the state for police protection through taxes only at a set rate. I think this will reduce the revenue generation through traffic citations, and the police can concentrate on the more serious crimes going on.
This will also reduce the needless overlap and stepping on each others toes that goes on today between police departments.
I could go on further, but I think this post is long enough already.

[cgmaster]

I try not to bash cops but alot of them are worthless. It gives the good ones a bad name. I came across a motorcycle wreck a few months ago. I got there just after it happened (before the police). I tried to help the guy but was not able to do much. Part of it was because he was because I do not want to catch something serious from someone like hep or aids. When the cops got there they did not do anything and told me they did not have gloves or anything to let me use when I asked. The man died about 18 min later, before the medics arrived. The worst thing is that one of the cops kept asking about my car while I was helping. A few days later I asked a friend who used to be a cop and he told me they are not allowed to do anything and they were not even trained for basic 1st aid.

[Blue Pilot]

Torquemonster, we need more cops like your father. I am sure we have some here like that, but few and far between.
Maybe it is the difference in our culture.

[Torquemonster]

Thanks Blue Pilot - but I don't think it is culture. I think beaucracy is strangling inititive and has an insatiable apetite for money - this slants police work to produce a return measured in dollars not crime reduction.

That plus a general decline in moral fibre of both our cultures.

It's very stressful for caring, fair and honest cops now - in some places they just do not fit in, or can't cope, so they leave. Guess what type of person does fit in when the good ones leave?

IN NZ - the good ones left in droves over the past 15 years as politics took over policing.

This is an international problem. Soon the local cop might as well come from Beijing - the old days are gone.

[OutThere]

How'd you know that girl was in the accident? She could have been walking past and just laid on the ground.

How'd you even know there was an accident at all?? Could have been two cars that just made it seem like there was an accident. Smelled airbag fuel? That could have easily been staged...

I would think you would have demanded video taped proof of the obvious from everyone involved.... Kinda sounds idiotic doesn't it?

[ElDiablo Viper]

How'd you know that girl was in the accident? She could have been walking past and just laid on the ground.

How'd you even know there was an accident at all?? Could have been two cars that just made it seem like there was an accident. Smelled airbag fuel? That could have easily been staged...

I would think you would have demanded video taped proof of the obvious from everyone involved.... Kinda sounds idiotic doesn't it?

That just proves my point that you are an idiot. And I'm sure that she was seeking 87bl $ and reelection too...dumba$$.

Back to my point. I think that there is a lot crooked cops...they are just people like all of us. You'll find some dumba$$es and you'll find some good ones too. Most of the time you don't hear about the good ones but you see and hear about the bad ones. My friend decided to become a cop...after a few months of being a cop he become rude and short tempered. He never stopped on the red light because he was a cop. It was his power trip. Well...he is no longer my friend. Power makes people do strange things. Sometimes cops thing that they are better than anybody.

[Nexus-6]

Maybe it is because of legal ramifications if a cop tries to help someone. If they screw up, they get in trouble. This sue happy society would never let that one go.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[OutThere]

"And I'm sure that she was seeking 87bl $ and reelection too...dumba$$"

What a complete moron. Pres Bush just asked for $87 billion for himself... oh thats right he did! That's why he faked 9/11 in the 1st place. I forgot.

It would be so great if the alleged girl in the alleged street sued your stupid a$$. Or the police from the scene. Wonder if the good sam laws apply to the mentally deficient??

Isn't there a quota on how many stupid threads our members of clearly demonstrated less capacity are allowed to start?

You live in New York and it took this "accindent" to really wake you up and make you think how lucky you to be alive......

What an a$$hole.

[ElDiablo Viper]

"Out in my ass" your business must be slow because you follow all of my posts. You must be one of those people that follow me home when I'm driving because they like my car. I wish that there was an ignore button on this board.

Talking about sueing...keep up the work and I'll report you to the moderators for trying to hijack my threads.

[slaughterj]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Easy enough to fix in this situation, pass a law that confirming that police-given medical assistance is barred from suit under principles of sovereign immunity, except where there is gross negligence or malicious intent.

[OutThere]

"Talking about sueing...keep up the work and I'll report you to the moderators for trying to hijack my threads."

Do you have actual video of your threads being hijacked??? Thanks for another laugh.... Yes, I so do want to be you. Check my post time... Business is anything but slow. Verbally beating up liberal morons like you is fun for me, an escape if you will, of life's everyday pressures.

Attention all moderators: Every time this idiot makes absurd statements (which seems to be every time he hits the keyboard) I will contribute to his threads. And even when he doesn't, I will contribute just for the fun of it.

And good point slaughterj. Such laws do exist but they are different from state to state.

BTW - No way the police and emergency workers just ignored an injured 19 year old girl, passing out on the road at an accident scene. Consider the source of this story: The WTC blew-up from below; The Pentagon was not hit by a hijacked airliner with 100s of people on board, it was blown up by the very people who work there; All so Bush could get more money and oil for his friends in Texas. This is the same guy who asks "Are Cops and Ambulance people so immune to the human tragedy?". Unreal.

I would not ever want anyone to ever be in an accident or in danger but if you ever are ElDiablo.... I surely hope that the people whose job it is to save your life don't read your stupid posts. Idiot.

[Brad04Mamba]

Where do you guys get this $30K crap, in California starting pay for CHP is closer to $40K (starting!), then in 20 years when they are 45 years old they get to retire on 90% of their salary which by then is closer to $70K. Yes its a thankless job, but hey if you don't like it quit.

My brother is a CHP and I've seen how he's changed, you become imune to alot of things.

Life everyone here has said some police are good people but just like any profession, their are alot of bad ones too.

Brad

[FranciscoR.]

lol....The source of a accusation is often the first to look for the truth of the accusation.

[The Joker]

Cops are not medics, they are there to direct traffic eand make sure another accident does not happen. In this day and age our society has created this sue happy mentality. I will call 911 for somebody and do what I can short of touching or moving them. If they die then God deals with them. If the medics get there in time then great for the injured person.