2008 Viper vs. 2008 C6 Z06: October Issue of Car And Driver

[viper GTS-R]

bah car magazines suck that's why I'm not subscribed to them anymore. Nothing but garbage just like Jeremy Clarkson.

--RS

[Casey]

Wait 'til some real numbers come out. They will be closer to 11.3 in 1/4.
But we all know how that goes, pick a magazine, and all the times will be different.

They sometimes fail to mention such things as Track conditions for each vehicle, driver's experience with each car, etc.

[Vipermann]

Originally Posted by c6z06

Agreed that gears will really wake up the Viper but traction now becomes and issue. ... The Halltech Air Filter for $200 dollars nets 20 rwhp improvement and 2/10 in the quarter.

Let me see if I follow this idea: A Vette owner says that the '08 will have (unmanagable) traction problems (and thus, not be fast) if it has different rear gears -- even though, nobody actually has an '08 yet, nor has tried switching any gears -- but this is the vision from the Z06 perspective ... yet the Z06 becomes a monster with a super duper air filter change.

Let's be real. The Z06 is a great car -- maybe a bit too common, as it seems to be bought by many folks who need a manual to find the dip-stick, but that's whole other issue. But the point of this thread is that the Viper has always been about pure performance, period. The Z06 showed up 18 months ago, walked into the house of Viper and proclaimed itself to be the new king. Not taking anything away from the Z06, but the '08 Viper has just reclaimed that crown, and kicked the Z06 out (of the house of Viper) and back into the world of special edition versions of lesser base cars. That's that bottom line.

[Boxer12]

There is no doubt that a Vette is easier to drive than a Viper, I have owned both. I suspect that the 'ultimate' performance will go to the Viper if a guy can drive it well. The Viper has lost a lot of its uniqueness in the Gen 3 model, and with that gone, it is just an overweight beast to most people. The heat in the cockpit issue is a deal breaker for many, esp if you are buying the car for something besides 1/4 mile runs. The dealbreaker for me is the commonness of the Vette. Car and Driver is geared more toward the yuppy crowd and not the track crowd. I bet that Road & Track editors favor the Viper. You watch.

[c6z06]

Originally Posted by Vipermann

Let me see if I follow this idea: A Vette owner says that the '08 will have (unmanagable) traction problems (and thus, not be fast) if it has different rear gears -- even though, nobody actually has an '08 yet, nor has tried switching any gears -- but this is the vision from the Z06 perspective ... yet the Z06 becomes a monster with a super duper air filter change.

Let's be real. The Z06 is a great car -- maybe a bit too common, as it seems to be bought by many folks who need a manual to find the dip-stick, but that's whole other issue. But the point of this thread is that the Viper has always been about pure performance, period. The Z06 showed up 18 months ago, walked into the house of Viper and proclaimed itself to be the new king. Not taking anything away from the Z06, but the '08 Viper has just reclaimed that crown, and kicked the Z06 out (of the house of Viper) and back into the world of special edition versions of lesser base cars. That's that bottom line.

My point about the air filter was how close things really are here.

It's a drivers race. If you call that taking back that crown then you have low standards.

[Early93Viper]

Originally Posted by c6z06

My point about the air filter was how close things really are here.

It's a drivers race. If you call that taking back that crown then you have low standards.

It has always been a drivers race. Here I am keeping up with your precious C6 Z06 in a 14 year old Viper.

HPT Advanced Class:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...65014be408.htm

Face it the 2008 Viper is faster it took back the crown. Period. GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE!

[c6z06]

Originally Posted by Early93Viper

It has always been a drivers race. Here I am keeping up with your precious C6 Z06 in a 14 year old Viper.

HPT Advanced Class:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...65014be408.htm

Face it the 2008 Viper is faster it took back the crown. Period. GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE!

Why am I a troll? Because I am stating factual data?

[Early93Viper]

Originally Posted by c6z06

Why am I a troll? Because I am stating factual data?

Factual data?

No because you’re a Z06 fan boy on a Viper site. (That’s probably the definition of Trolling) The Vipers faster end of story. You basically admitted that when you posted you didn't care if it was faster your getting a non-existent Blue Devil.

You want to see some factual data watch the video of my 14 year old Viper keeping up with your precious c6 Z06.

[murfman]

Originally Posted by c6z06

Why am I a troll? Because I am stating factual data?

No, beacause you are obviously a Vette fanboi on a Viper forum, telling all the uninformed Viper owners how your Z06 is the bestest car ever built!

Who is to say there won't be an aftermarket airfilter for the 08 Viper, if you want to talk about modified cars?

[Joseph Houss]

Congrats Dodge! Wait until WE get our hands on these bad boys!

[ViperTony]

The Vette guys just don't get it, well some of them do but the majority of them are like c6 here...They have a denial problem when it comes to the exclusivity and performance of the Viper. Vettes are as about as exciting to look at as say Honda Accords...There's just too many AARP members driving Vette's these days. The Viper is a head-turner and will always be. The Viper is truly an exotic while the Vette...well I think they get handed out with each AARP membership. The Z06 is a nice car...but the Viper well...its a Viper.

As for performance...whether the Viper beats the Vette in 1 sec or 10 sec does it really matter? The Vette got its ass handed to it...sorry. While the new Viper's numbers are impressive the most wound-licking fact for the Vette guys is this: Dodge decided to reward its Viper community with a bigger, badder, stronger Viper for LESS money...How will GM reward the Vette owners? They will charge them with a $100K+ bolt-on supercharger, maybe if we see the light of day of the Blue Devil.

And what will happen when/if the Blue Devil comes out? Dodge will again take its naturally aspirated V10 to 675+ HP and trounce the Vette once again. And while the Blue Devil guys are reading up on the 2009/2010 Viper ACR in the waiting rooms of many Chevy service centers as their blue devil shredded inards are being replaced under warrany... us Viper guys will continue doing what we do today...drive and enjoy the most exotic, reliable and exclusive american super car ever built. Sorry, its just fact.

Let's face it C6, you came here because you know you've been out done with 2008 Viper...you've been outdone by all of the car rags...you've been outdone by Edmunds of all places...You started out here with Denial moved on to Anger/Resentment and are now "Bargaining" to change the results of what everyone else on this planet already knows...the 2008 Viper has spanked you into submission and you can't live with it. There's no time for damage control, you lost and you lost in a big way. The real question is can the Vette guys realize they've been spanked in a much bigger way than simply the awesome Viper numbers alone?

C6 it's time to move on, drive to Starbucks, pickup that "Vente", stick it in your Z06 cup-holder, turn on the traction control and watch as the world revels in the 2008 Viper. Watch as the world drops its jaws at the 2008 Viper while the Vette takes backseat and loathes at the world. You got just spanked my friend.

[doctorbob]

Go Dodge! As per VipeTony's last paragraph (I have to laugh), our local Vette club meets every Saturday at Starbucks at 8 for coffee.....and c6 ...you are a troll.

[ViperTony]

Originally Posted by doctorbob

Go Dodge! As per VipeTony's last paragraph (I have to laugh), our local Vette club meets every Saturday at Starbucks at 8 for coffee.....and c6 ...you are a troll.

All in the name of fun! To be honest, I'm just jealous of you guys because when I go to Starbucks in my GenII I have no cup holders...

[v10Muscle]

Originally Posted by Boxer12

There is no doubt that a Vette is easier to drive than a Viper, I have owned both. I suspect that the 'ultimate' performance will go to the Viper if a guy can drive it well. The Viper has lost a lot of its uniqueness in the Gen 3 model, and with that gone, it is just an overweight beast to most people. The heat in the cockpit issue is a deal breaker for many, esp if you are buying the car for something besides 1/4 mile runs. The dealbreaker for me is the commonness of the Vette. Car and Driver is geared more toward the yuppy crowd and not the track crowd. I bet that Road & Track editors favor the Viper. You watch.

I disagree with "The Viper has lost a lot of its uniqueness in the Gen 3 model, and with that gone, it is just an overweight beast to most people." That should read MOST PEOPLE THAT STILL HAVE GEN I or IIs...
I happen to like the GenIII look of the vert much better...I sold my 97 Blue and White to get one. The 03 - 06 vert is a very sexy car!

[viper GTS-R]

Jebus if I ever come to Kansas I know who I want a state tour from! That was some sick driving!

--RS