2008 Viper vs. 2008 C6 Z06: October Issue of Car And Driver

[c6z06]

Viper:
0-60: 3.5
1/4: 11.6@126

Z06:
0-60: 3.7
1/4: 11.7@125

Overall winner: Z06


The Viper did beat it pretty handily around the 2 mile road course however (1 second faster). the Z06 also has crappy runflats on. But kudos to the Viper.

[ViperCrazed]

Bah, Chevy slipped them a $50 under the table to keep this close. Why anyone would want a 08 Zo6 is beyond me. I seen a 06 @ a dealer today and the car has "cheap" written all over it.

[rcl4668]

Originally Posted by c6z06

Viper:
0-60: 3.5
1/4: 11.6@126

Z06:
0-60: 3.7
1/4: 11.7@125

Overall winner: Z06


The Viper did beat it pretty handily around the 2 mile road course however (1 second faster). the Z06 also has crappy runflats on. But kudos to the Viper.

Thanks for posting the info; I'll have to make a run to Borders first thing tomorrow morning for that C&D issue.

/Rich

[Vipermann]

Overall "winner" ??? Winner of what? The Viper "won" the performance competition. All the Z06 got was the subjective "choice" of the C&D writer -- which ... could be really important if I were ever in a situation where I was buying THAT writer a car as a gift, and then i would know which car he 'preferred' ...

Sorry, c6z06, your car just lost the performance crown.


(Isn't it funny that last year, before Chevy had a new $8,500 leather dash option, all that mattered was the Z06 performance numbers -- despite that it's interior was judged as total cr@p? Now, performance doesn't matter anymore, but it's the subjective car of choice by C&D magazine ... hmmm)

[Finally got it !]

Originally Posted by ViperCrazed

Bah, Chevy slipped them a $50 under the table to keep this close. Why anyone would want a 08 Zo6 is beyond me. I seen a 06 @ a dealer today and the car has "cheap" written all over it.

I saw a 08 on a dealer lot today. The orange peel was unreal. I would not even accept delivery if ordered this particular car. The interior had the upgraded leather. Nice option but 8k? Can you say windbreaker tax???

[c6z06]

Originally Posted by Vipermann

Overall "winner" ??? Winner of what? The Viper "won" the performance competition. All the Z06 got was the subjective "choice" of the C&D writer -- which ... could be really important if I were ever in a situation where I was buying THAT writer a car as a gift, and then i would know which car he 'preferred' ...

Sorry, c6z06, your car just lost the performance crown.


(Isn't it funny that last year, before Chevy had a new $8,500 leather dash option, all that mattered was the Z06 performance numbers -- despite that it's interior was judged as total cr@p? Now, performance doesn't matter anymore, but it's the subjective car of choice by C&D magazine ... hmmm)

Agree that the Viper won in the performance categories. Straight line acceleration difference is very minimal and probably mostly due to the stickier non-run flats the Viper was using. Performance around the track was impressive, however.

There were many people on this board saying that the Viper would kill the Z06 in straight line performance. Well, it's a drivers race. Power To Weight Ratio is the key here. A 1 difference in MPH is smaller than I thought. But the track difference is bigger than i thought. All GM needs to do is put in a better air filter and stickier PS2s and I think things could be really interesting. In terms of losing the performance crown, well the BD will be here very shortly and we all know what is going to happen there.

[ViperCrazed]

The "Blue Imp" doesn't exist.

[c6z06]

Originally Posted by ViperCrazed

The "Blue Imp" doesn't exist.

Oh YES it does.

[ViperCrazed]

Originally Posted by c6z06

Oh YES it does.

RIIIGHT!



I guess the 2009-10 Viper with even better #'s than the Imp exist as well.

[Vipermann]

The Z06 is only as close as it is because it has 3.42 rear gears compared to the 3.07s in the Viper. When I, like many other Viper owners, swap to 3.33s (or 3.55s) ... just one simple mod ... it won't be a 'driver's race' ... the same cannot be said for the Z06 -- aside from adding a blower, or major engine mods, it really doesn't have much more to give

[c6z06]

Originally Posted by Vipermann

The Z06 is only as close as it is because it has 3.42 rear gears compared to the 3.07s in the Viper. When I, like many other Viper owners, swap to 3.33s (or 3.55s) ... just one simple mod ... it won't be a 'driver's race' ... the same cannot be said for the Z06 -- aside from adding a blower, or major engine mods, it really doesn't have much more to give

Agreed that gears will really wake up the Viper but traction now becomes and issue. But I also think if the Z06 didn't have the runflats and stickier tires like the PS2s, they would be tied in stock configuration. And the C6 Z06 people have even a simpler mod than a gear switch. The Halltech Air Filter for $200 dollars nets 20 rwhp improvement and 2/10 in the quarter. I don't think you are giving enough credit here to the Z06. We both know the Z06 is not as cool as the Viper is, but c'mon man give the car it's due respect.

FYI...Halltech
http://www.corvettels7.com/

[Warfang]

Originally Posted by c6z06

Agreed that gears will really wake up the Viper but traction now becomes and issue. But I also think if the Z06 didn't have the runflats and stickier tires like the PS2s, they would be tied in stock configuration. And the C6 Z06 people have even a simpler mod than a gear switch. The Halltech Air Filter for $200 dollars nets 20 rwhp improvement and 2/10 in the quarter. I don't think you are giving enough credit here to the Z06. We both know the Z06 is not as cool as the Viper is, but c'mon man give the car it's due respect.

FYI...Halltech
http://www.corvettels7.com/

The Z06 is a triumph for GM... over 12 years in the making, and it took the guy that helped make the Viper to get it to where it is today. Even then, it barely eeked a win from a 3 year old SRT design, but the vette owners paraded around town called it a blow-out. Now the 08 Viper squeezes a slightly larger win, and the Vette boys are playing it cool... now it's a "Driver's race". Funny this was the same argument from the Viper camp for the last 18 months. There are idiots on both sides here. Men giggling like little girls going to their competitor's forums to start a flame war. This is a game of leapfrog. Someone will always be in the lead, and the other will catch up in time. It'll be fun until gas prices and/or the crazy libs write laws to make us all drive Priuses.

Truth is, you can't really compare the Z06 to the Viper. They're not even in the same category. The Z06 is the "special edition" version of the Vette. The standard Vette doesnt even compare to the Viper. If Chrysler ever gets another ACR-like Viper... that would be a more apt comparison.

Also, there's no point discussing products that are still in the pipeline. That just gets silly. My 2040 Viper will be better than your Vette.

[Snakester]

The official specs (or price) has not even been announced by Chevy for the Corvette SS, and it's going to be more than a year from now until the car's hit showroom floors.

And my guess is that by the time that the Corvette SS does arrive, that the new lighter, more powerful ACR Viper will also be out, and the leapfrog will continue again.

The trick is that at these power levels, performance is just not consistant enough to say that most any car that's close would not be slower or faster than another depending on the driver's skill.

What is missing from this discussion is the fact that the 2008 Viper's performance is in-between the $$$ McLaren SLR, and the $$$ Ferrari 599, and the Viper is going to be quicker around most tracks than the 997 twin turbo, the Lamborghini Gallardo, and the Ferrari F430, not to mention FAR faster than ANY of these cars in their convertible form, with the 599 and Z06 simply NOT even available in convertible versions.

[black mamba1]

Guys, this is bullsh*t. A sports car is supposed to dominate in competitive car driving: acceleration, 1/4 mile, top speed, handling, braking, sound, menacing appeal, exotic-ness, and stares from gorgeous women and giving kids a poster to put on their walls while they dream.....

THE VIPER HANDILY DOMINATES THE VETTE IN EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CATERAGORIES...not to even mention Vipers hold value better (of course the rags conveniently omit such facts).

Now, if a sports car is critiqued based on "soft ride, daily grocery store drivability, appeal to the AARP crowd and the local bridge club, xm radio, stability control (for those who cannot drive) , traction control (for those who cannot drive) , coffee holders,...yes, the Vette dominates. Oh, and let us not forget the payola factor with the rags by GM...

When the stock Z06 was slamming the stock Viper we Viper faithful simply had to accept that crap for two years, now the situation is reversed....and the Chevy crowd must simply accept that..and get used to it b/c the snake is going to BURY the fish for the unforseeable future...

As far as the future cars, Chrysler says not to worry about the urban legend of the Blue Devil, they said whatever GM puts out they are ready to respond. The 8.4 liter has MUCH more potential than Chevy's 7 liter...as the current mods and hp numbers in this forum have proven. All Chrysler has to do is shave weight and improve gearing and now you are looking at a high 10 second 1/4 mile car.
VIPERS RULE!!

[black mamba1]

Stock 03 Viper ran a 3.9 sec 0-60 and 11.77 1/4 mile on run craps. The 08 has a .8 second improvement in 1/4 mile...While the 11.8 sec and 11.6 sec 1/4 mile numbers are very impressive, I think you will see better drivers getting in the low 11s consistently.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...10_venom_650r/