Nissan GTR Versus The 08 Viper

[Bugeater]

Hey Guys, go check out the onelap track times so far....Road Atlanta....Mid America....the ACR is absolutely SMOKING the GTR. Cannot wait till it hits VIR.

SMOKING THE GTR.

Did I say Smoking?

Yeah S M O K I N G the GTR.

Oh yeah my 1000th post. Woot.

[SnakeBitten]

MBN thanks for the info. Nice to see an open minded carguy.

Bluestreak thanks for the clarification on Davias Porsche. Is Davias car stripped down or a full street car? BTW when I looked yesterday on OLA website it had the GTR in 2nd place overall after the first race. Maybe it was after the first race it was in 2nd and after the 2nd race they updated it to 4th. Im very sure I saw it in 2nd at one time. Ill check the points count after the 1st race. No big deal though just clarifying. Doesnt change the fact that the ACR is raping the GTR with ease.

Im passing this info on as I saw it on 6 speedonline. Some may take it as nutswinging or Viper hating and thats there choice, but Im am not about either one of those things.

Apparently Tony Swan has a broken hand and is having trouble driving the GTR as it is his first time in it let alone tracking it with a freshly cast removed hand. lol. Why didnt they just get a physically able driver instead? The funny thing is he still beat the modded 996 and 997 GT3's with that hand he just took the cast off . No excuses. Check out the thread on 6speedonline. The guy that gave the info is running in the OLA in a Cayman GTR if Im not mistaken. REAL WORLD 996 GT3 vs GT-R - Page 6 - 6speedonline.com Forums

[bluestreak]

I dont think it's gutted, at least last year it wasnt, but I could be wrong. I'd imagine 3100-3200 lbs even if he had CF hood/trunk, completely gutted with no AC or radio.

I asked the shop that tunes his car the actual weight but didnt get a response.

As for the GT-R beating the GT3, he only beat him at Road America and has been getting raped ever since. The only reason he beat the 996 GT3 at Road America is because he had never been there. The 997 guys just arent very competitive drivers.

The 996 GT3 is barely modded, and running 390-400 crank hp. And obviously lacking severly in straihgt line speed, so the GT-R is just getting manhandled in the turns. So its still humbling to the GT-R to get smashed


Now losing overall to an E36 M3, so much for godzilla.

On top of that has Nissan techs traveling with him.

[Vipermann]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

So its still humbling to the GT-R to get smashed...

Now losing overall to an E36 M3, so much for godzilla.

On top of that has Nissan techs traveling with him.

Rice just ain't what it used to be.

[CO-NOS-Viper]

Originally Posted by Stealth

You are a bit disappointed in Lap Times for the GTR because the truth is starting to leak out. The car will likely have the power and WEIGHT listed by the manufacturer. Physics is physics at some point. Especially after discounting launch control, etc. for standing starts.

Good car, but different league.

Very well said.

[SnakeBitten]

May be wrong info but I saw this on 6speedonline regarding the GTR.

I have spoken to one of the R&T editors, who was kind enough to take the time to discuss the provenance of the GT-Rs used in testing. That conversation relates to this thread as follows: Nissan provided 3 GT-Rs for testing to the automotive press. A white, a silver, and a Black one. The black one was damaged somehow and was kept in reserve for parts. All three cars are US spec, but are definitely pre-production, and are classified as "engineering test cars", which is the only way they are legal for registration and operation on US roads. Once their lifecycle is done (90 days), they go to the crusher. This explains the caveats by C&D, and MT regarding the performance, and the extraordinary dyno result produced by the silver car.

That SAME silver car, with Michigan plates, is the one now competing in the One Lap. It is therefore NOT a production car, and if the dyno is any indication, is making a lot more power than the production car's certified 480.

I agree with Wanderer Z06 that this has no real bearing on the OneLap since it's a run-what-you-brung race, but the GT-R fanoys have been claiming all along that a production GT-R is outperforming the stock Z06s and that is simply not true.

The R&T editor also said that this car is causing a major ruckus in the auto press and that some mags are rethinking their testing procedures with respect to manufacturer-supplied vehicles. Automobile reportedly declined to test the Nissan at this time because the cars supplied were not production cars. Expect that trend to be followed by others henceforward, he said.

[AviP]

Originally Posted by Vipermann

Rice just ain't what it used to be.

Yup! And Costco and Sam's Club now have limits on rice.

[bluestreak]

Turns out Nissan was sneaking (cheating) around a tech to all the various events to make sure the car didnt break, and when the driver screwed up the launch a the drags, the tech magically showed up to make sure he didnt screw it up again. They are some sneaky little buggers. They've been having problems with the tranny sending the car into limp mode and it's pretty bad in Japan to where they are making changes prior to releasing to the US. Leh said he SAW (not heard lol) black smoke coming from the rear of the car at the strip and the car was covered in soot on the back (enter japanese technician).

#1 That's cheating #2 It didnt help.

[Boxer12]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Turns out Nissan was sneaking (cheating) around a tech to all the various events to make sure the car didnt break, and when the driver screwed up the launch a the drags, the tech magically showed up to make sure he didnt screw it up again. They are some sneaky little buggers. They've been having problems with the tranny sending the car into limp mode and it's pretty bad in Japan to where they are making changes prior to releasing to the US. Leh said he SAW (not heard lol) black smoke coming from the rear of the car at the strip and the car was covered in soot on the back (enter japanese technician).

#1 That's cheating #2 It didnt help.

Don't all Jap Gizmo's come with a tech in the trunk? That makes it legal.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten

May be wrong info but I saw this on 6speedonline regarding the GTR.

I have spoken to one of the R&T editors, who was kind enough to take the time to discuss the provenance of the GT-Rs used in testing. That conversation relates to this thread as follows: Nissan provided 3 GT-Rs for testing to the automotive press. A white, a silver, and a Black one. The black one was damaged somehow and was kept in reserve for parts. All three cars are US spec, but are definitely pre-production, and are classified as "engineering test cars", which is the only way they are legal for registration and operation on US roads. Once their lifecycle is done (90 days), they go to the crusher. This explains the caveats by C&D, and MT regarding the performance, and the extraordinary dyno result produced by the silver car.

That SAME silver car, with Michigan plates, is the one now competing in the One Lap. It is therefore NOT a production car, and if the dyno is any indication, is making a lot more power than the production car's certified 480.

I agree with Wanderer Z06 that this has no real bearing on the OneLap since it's a run-what-you-brung race, but the GT-R fanoys have been claiming all along that a production GT-R is outperforming the stock Z06s and that is simply not true.

The R&T editor also said that this car is causing a major ruckus in the auto press and that some mags are rethinking their testing procedures with respect to manufacturer-supplied vehicles. Automobile reportedly declined to test the Nissan at this time because the cars supplied were not production cars. Expect that trend to be followed by others henceforward, he said.

The tested GRs were ringer, cheating, X-Box wealel-mobiles. 4000lbs and 480hp does not produce the mag numbers the ringers were laying down. Now even the strongest of the ringer-mobiles--still cheating with traveling tech apparently--is getting spanked by the ACR with headers at One Lap. Interesting new car, but the KING it is not.

ZR1, ACR and 997 GT2 will be/are on a different level as they should be. As I have said all along, let's wait until the cars hit the streets. Now, if they announce 600hp, then it is game on again!

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Boxer12

Don't all Jap Gizmo's come with a tech in the trunk? That makes it legal.

HAHAHAH Leh checked the trunk, not there, I think he was hiding in the glove box. Or maybe somewhere under the back seat that car is so big, and well Japanese men arent exaclty the biggest guys. If you're 6ft (5'10 even) or taller and have been to Japan you'll know what I mean. (everything makes you feel like a gargantuan)



But then again, the car is so advanced, maybe it can fix itself.

[CO-NOS-Viper]

Why does this thread even exist? There is absolutely no comparison between the two. The Viper is in a completely different/higher league than the GT-R. Nissan GT-R. (Notice different sentence) And viper should never even be in the same sentence, PERIOD.

[RTTTTed]

If I drove the GTR and my wife drove my highly modified 850bhp GTS I would win every time (the GTR would win). Otherwise it would be a crash or die thing. The only way the GTR could win is if I crashed the GTS. My wife would run the course in her Escape 4x4 just as fast as she'd run the GTR.

Reality is that my Stealth should kick the GTR with NO problem since my electronic controlled suspension went into the garbage and was replaced with GABs and Eibachs. My 500hp is 20 more than the GTR and everything else (weight, tire size, etc.) is equal.

Like a Z06 if everything is similar and a beginner races against a beginner in the non computer controlled car the computer wins. Use a good driver against a computer and the computer loses every time.

The main idea of the Viper right from the beginning has been "nothing but performance". Trying to say that a "Street car" design is faster???

Buy one and come on out. Without modifications, every other car can kick your GTR ass, even antique Supras. I guess you could instal racing shocks, up the boost and instal bigger turbos, then it should be pretty quick.

Ted

[wallbanger]

In a world of exotic supercars the GTR simply doesnt have the look, emotion or the light weight. In a world of luxury cars the GTR doesnt have the comfort, the room and the usable features. In a world of utility well the GTR cant really do anything very usefull.

Where it excells at is in the play station generation, the problem is that not many of them can afford a car like the GTR.

[RTTTTed]

Originally Posted by wallbanger

In a world of exotic supercars the GTR simply doesnt have the look, emotion or the light weight. In a world of luxury cars the GTR doesnt have the comfort, the room and the usable features. In a world of utility well the GTR cant really do anything very usefull.

Where it excells at is in the play station generation, the problem is that not many of them can afford a car like the GTR.

Agreed. It may work for the 'geek' generation with all of it's computer assists. No one has mentioned if the car has a digital/computerized "climate control system" like my 1992 Dodge Stealth came with. How about a computer controlled stereo system like what came in my Stealth? I'd hate to think that they've added only TC and "launch control" to the '92 Stealth electronics. Wouldn't make the GTR appear to be very hi-tech if the 92 Stealth came with all the computer junk except the two aforementioned systems...

Ted