Question for the Supercharging experts

[1BADGTS]

Guys i am starting to look for a Winter project since i cannot really alter my 08 i am thinking of picking up an 03- 04 SRT and do a built blower Paxton project (engine fuel system ect )I run things hard (my built 96 was often used by Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford as a test car -Evan Smith aint exactly easy on things)Years ago i had a Carroll Supercharged Corvette that was blown up more than it was running.Because of the intended use -HEAT ISSUES ect my engine builder (who i have used for years )is pushing my towards twin turbos.If a blower car is built and tuned properly can i turn it over to the mag guys to test say at Pocono on a 90 degree day without catostrophic engine failure.

[1BADGTS]

PS iwant to run safely on 92 octaine-ect

[mjorgensen]

Most people will not like what I have to say about this either but since I am on a roll from the Challenger forums I will.

I love power as much or MORE than the next guy and believe you can never have enough. What I also believe though is that you can spend any amount you want to do a bullet proof motor and it will still let go at some time before a stock one does. To me this is stated best as I have heard in the past as you are building a powerful bomb and the more powerful it is the shorter the fuse gets. This is not fiction either just observe any race car, it happens all the time and if not often it is because they are spending tons of money rebuilding it before it has.

End of rant... wheres those pain pills?

Originally Posted by 1BADGTS

Guys i am starting to look for a Winter project since i cannot really alter my 08 i am thinking of picking up an 03- 04 SRT and do a built blower Paxton project (engine fuel system etc )I run things hard (my built 96 was often used by Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford as a test car -Evan Smith ain't exactly easy on things)Years ago i had a Carroll Supercharged Corvette that was blown up more than it was running.Because of the intended use -HEAT ISSUES ect my engine builder (who i have used for years )is pushing my towards twin turbos.If a blower car is built and tuned properly can i turn it over to the mag guys to test say at Pocono on a 90 degree day without catastrophic engine failure.

[AFL in NJ]

Dear 1BADGTS,

Here's a few cars to choose from that would give you a bit of a Winter project:

X2 Builders - wrecked dodge vipers for sale

(Personally I'd like to see that Snakeskin Green one with black stripes reborn into a twin-turbo MONSTER!)

Regards,
Aaron

[1BADGTS]

I really dont want to go wrecked (more like a nice 03 vert- low miles) I am in NJ.My engine builder is adament for my intendent useage that iam better with the turbos .I love the simplicity of the superchargers.I want to be around 825 to the tire.

[mjorgensen]

Turbos are FREE power.

Originally Posted by 1BADGTS

I really dont want to go wrecked (more like a nice 03 vert- low miles) I am in NJ.My engine builder is adament for my intendent useage that iam better with the turbos .I love the simplicity of the superchargers.I want to be around 825 to the tire.

[GR8_ASP]

Originally Posted by mjorgensen

Turbos are FREE power.

Huh???
Certainly not monetarily. Certainly not thermodynamically. In what way is it free?

[mjorgensen]

They don't USE power to make power like a S/C.

Originally Posted by GR8_ASP

Huh???
Certainly not monetarily. Certainly not thermodynamically. In what way is it free?

[dragon rider]

It is a fine line between power and reliability. My experience with "bullet proof" boosted smaller displacement motors always ended the same way. BROKEN A boosted 650 rwhp gen III seems to maintain good driveability and reliability. Big hp#'s = Big Money= big headaches and lots of down time. Most 1000hp cars spend more time with the hoods up getting worked on than being driven.

[mjorgensen]

That's kinda my take, but you have to remember there are a lot of Viper guys out there that this is a lifestyle and hobby for. These things equate to passion rather than always reliable transportation.

That's why I leave somethings open ended, too each his own when it comes to a passion.

Originally Posted by dragon rider

It is a fine line between power and reliability. My experience with "bullet proof" boosted smaller displacement motors always ended the same way. BROKEN A boosted 650 rwhp gen III seems to maintain good driveability and reliability. Big hp#'s = Big Money= big headaches and lots of down time. Most 1000hp cars spend more time with the hoods up getting worked on than being driven.

[1BADGTS]

Thanks guys word for word you are telling me what my guy Nick at Modern is saying.For my intended usage either go with the turbos or else its not if but when it blows up.

[plumcrazy]

turbo's can blow an engine just easily though. and its all in the tune for longevity

[1BADGTS]

Originally Posted by plumcrazy

turbo's can blow an engine just easily though. and its all in the tune for longevity

Thats exactly what i thought ,but my engine builder says NO WAY .Basically hes claiming that power level for power level both being tuned properly of course the turbo will be a ton more reliable -heat issues part wear ect.(he just did a viper twin turbo truck-small boost level made 900 to the tire ).Anybody done both that can advise would be helpful.

[chimazo]

I don't understand where your builder is coming from by saying that turbos would have less heat issues?? Turbos themselves produce a ton of heat, along with the accompanying plumbing, which makes an already hot underhood environment only worse. I think anyone would agree that the complexity of a supercharger is less, and the boost is more easily controlled since a specific pulley will produce "x" amount of boost (yes, this is a simplification).

You mention your guy did an SRT-10 truck TT, but those have a TON of room underhood, along with a huge frontal area/opening to keep things cool. A Viper does not. Not knocking TT's on a Viper, just confused about your tuner's perspective vs superchargers.

[1BADGTS]

Originally Posted by chimazo

I don't understand where your builder is coming from by saying that turbos would have less heat issues?? Turbos themselves produce a ton of heat, along with the accompanying plumbing, which makes an already hot underhood environment only worse. I think anyone would agree that the complexity of a supercharger is less, and the boost is more easily controlled since a specific pulley will produce "x" amount of boost (yes, this is a simplification).

You mention your guy did an SRT-10 truck TT, but those have a TON of room underhood, along with a huge frontal area/opening to keep things cool. A Viper does not. Not knocking TT's on a Viper, just confused about your tuner's perspective vs superchargers.

This is exactly what i am trying to find out myself.