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Tom Welch

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I have read numerous posts about posts being deleted for one reason or another, and i guess it is the right of the moderators to remove posts as they see fit in the best interest of this institution.

On the other hand this institution exists because of funding from us members $$$ and maybe contributions from mother dodge? of which stays in business because of us again, spending our dollars on her products.

I am also a sponsor(and happy to do so) of this site, as well as having a site of my own which contains a message board that has a similar format to the old board here.

If you have a gripe, joke, heckle, item for sale, tuning advise, or anything viper related and feel your post to be censored by this board, then feel free to post it at btrviper.com

thank you for reading

tom

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Just wanted to jump in and support Tony for a second as I was one of the few crying "foul" when I could not find some of my posts.

The simple fact is that there were there all the time, I just could not find them. And I have no newbee excuse. I'm used UBBS boards for quite a while...

That said, I don't mind if this board is kept clean, neat and tidy. However this is largely because there are other, less controlled, places to hang out like Tom's place. Best of both worlds. And I certainly don't mind a shameless plug once in a while!
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Bob,

Thanks for your reply. And i definately agree to a degree with Tony as I would not want to fill his shoes. I am new to this style of board and have thought that i posted something but didn't complete it and it was lost.

I am not here to Recruit those who have nothing to do but argue and lambash others with derrogetory posts, as that is not what i have a message board for either, but i do believe in the basic rights of allAmericans and therefore will allow freedom of speech to anyone who has auto related comments and concerns that they wish to share with others. Board users must have an VALID AND ACTIVE EMAIL ADDRESS or their posts will be deleted.

Tony, please don't take this as another plug for me but a reply and plug for you!

Tom
 

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I'm sure Tony appreciates the "plug", and am glad you found the issue. The nice thing about this forum is if you make a post, you see right away (if you wait for it to generate). I would like to add to the discussion though:


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.......but i do believe in the basic rights of all Americans and therefore will allow freedom of speech to anyone who has auto related comments and concerns that they wish to share with others. Board users must have an VALID AND ACTIVE EMAIL ADDRESS or their posts will be deleted.......

Tom
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This is a topic near and dear to many's heart. The VCA Forums require a valid email address to "register to post". BUT, it requires an acknowledgment and acceptance of the posting regulations to be able to post on these forums. The regulations are displayed in red (verses read
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) before every posting opportunity.

Something many do not understand is the difference between a "right" and a "privilege". It is a privilege to post on a private individuals/company's/etc. forum, not a right. If an individual takes advantage or abuses a privilege, they may lose that privilege. Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater when there is none, is not a "right" of free speach. As many have noted before, in the end, an unmoderated forum will implode. AOL, C&D, R&T Viper discussion forums are all examples. On the other hand, an over moderated discussion forum, one that supports an overly tight "world view", also will likely fail.....for lack of benefit to the user. It is to maintain the fine balance that we have the policy we do. It is in the end, it is the benefit to the user that dictates continued success.

These forums are about open discussions pertaining to Vipers. We added the off topic forum for non-viper but "socially acceptable" subjects. The posting regulations are clearly displayed for all to see. The moderators use the regulations as their "Bill of Rights". That does not mean that there will be differences in interpretation (which is healthy). If a person is getting something deleted they feel was within the policy, contact Tony or myself. You may not agree with us, but we are here if you have a question. We are human, and as such, make mistakes.

I said this before in another post, we have deleted VERY FEW posts since moving to the new format (proving that registration does help). I personally have deleted around a dozen..... at least eight of those were from the same person for "shameless commercialism" (i.e. they violated the no commercial post reg, big time - none of these were yours Tom
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). The others all involved either profanity, vulgarities, or were ads that were moved to the classified. All quite routine and per the policy.

We continue to do our best to make this a place that people want to come to, participate in, and benefit from. It will always include a posting policy for moderators to moderate by. Speaking of moderators, we are looking for a "few good volunteers willing to take on the challenge".
 
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