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I no longer can sit idle watching what is happening to the vca. The members need to make
a choice and either help john save the vca or move on if thats what you want. Just make
a decision and go with it, its that easy. For those who have made the choice to leave i ask
why are you still here posting? Why do you come to a site and club you no longer want anything
to do with? The only reason you would is to do harm to the vca, its very clear to see.

****points i would like to state********

1. Can all of us not see where the attacks are coming from? Do some research. I will
give you a start, go to viperalley.

2. Viperalley is what it is. I have no problem how they handle themselves at their own site.
Its a choice you make for yourself if you want to be a part of what they do. I dont like or
agree how they treat people who dont follow their unwritten rules. If you screw up on
that site believe me you will pay for it. they are very,very,very good at being a pack
to discredit and destroy you at their site if you dont play ball with them. Watch
this thread as they will come at me for posting this. They will be the *** with the
new club they are proposing. Yes the new board will be the old board that got
the vca where it is today. Hello cant you see this? Ask yourself then ask them,
were you at anytime on the *** of the vca.

3. The vendors leaving so fast as to not even give john the chance to change how they
were treated is their decision. Its so easy to think your going to the winning team with
them telling you what you want to hear. I wouldnt trust that new club so fast. Goodluck
with your choice, just dont question them because if you do the pack will attack. Its the
vendors decision to do what they feel is best for them, its their company, i wish them well.

4. chris marshall issue - 100% *** fault - vca owns it and they were in charge! *** dropped
the ball on that one. He could do nothing without the approval of the board. The *** made
a choice and that they cannot change. they the *** approved what took place at vpa!

5. the raffle - not good! this is a issue that john and the now the new *** cannot
overcome no matter what they do. It is serious without question. With over a
quarter of a million dollars of other peoples money taken and already being
spent is not good. again the *** are 100% accountable for this! what were they
thinking as a group? i feel for every person who purchased a ticket and dont
think they will ever get their money back, which they should and the car be sold
to pay for legal fees which will be needed.
all i can say is just wow! the old ***
will have to own up to this. They the *** screwed the vca and will in time have to
answer to this. I feel so bad for all who purchased tickets. It was not the members
fault this happen but the people who were in place to run the vca who did this to
everyone!


6. the *** at the time of the raffle and
all other issues that took place to put
the vca where its at today need and will
be forced to answer all questions now
being ask of the vca.

7. im with you john!

anyone else ?

wanted


being
 

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So now it's the Alley's fault? lol

If it wasn't for the Alley you wouldn't have ever seen:

Chrysler letter
Lee's responses to the letter
Tim W letter
Chris Marshalls letters to the ***
The info on the raffle

Everthing would have been swept under the rug and membership would have been told all is great. People are tired of being lied to and censored, plain and simple.
 
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so now it's the alley's fault? Lol

if it wasn't for the alley you wouldn't have ever seen:

Chrysler letter
lee's responses to the letter
tim w letter
chris marshalls letters to the ***
the info on the raffle

everthing would have been swept under the rug and membership would have been told all is great. People are tired of being lied to and censored, plain and simple.

like i said here they come! Knew it so predictable
 
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wow!!!! First 2 replies directly from
viperalley.

and here folks is your preview of the new
club. Goodluck with that!

the pack is on attack!!!!!!!!!!

 
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you posted, making accusations about the alley. Of course people from the alley would respond and of course you knew they would.

so easy to bait the fish and have them take
it hook, line and sinker!
why are they even visiting a site and club
they want nothing to do with? Because
they want to destroy it so their new club
with the old *** of vca can screw you
again with full control of you.

 

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WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN
The Who

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that's all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?


There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right

And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
 

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You are very loyal to a club that you aren't a member of... The bold red letters really changed my opinion about whose fault it is! Thanks for pointing out the whistle blowers..
 

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Hey "Wanted" if you are so concerned for the welfare of the club why are you an "enthusiast" and not a paying member in support of a club you can no longer idly sit by and watch fall apart? I have no dog in this fight, just saying!
 

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A BIG +1 here also. Inquiring minds would like to know.
Hey "Wanted" if you are so concerned for the welfare of the club why are you an "enthusiast" and not a paying member in support of a club you can no longer idly sit by and watch fall apart? I have no dog in this fight, just saying!
 

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Don't see this as any other website or groups fault outside of the club. All issues are internal and must be dealt with internally. All that other site did was provide a conduit for freedom of speech. Yes they like to stir it up and thus it fits their MOO. The VCA has not denied these allegations and are trying to deal with them so I believe the anger is misplaced. You wanted answers for why this happened, go back a few years to when the bylaws were changed and shoved down the throats of members and then look specifically at who created those and motioned them for approval. Before everyone wants to damn the entire *** they need to look very deep as even the entire *** at the time was not to blame as they could not even stop it, the ones that opposed what was happening. The bigger the letters in response, the more unprofessional it looks, just saying!
 

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I agree totally. It was the Alleys fault Chrysler sent the letter to the VCA. It is also the fault of the Alley for Tim sending the letter to Sergio about Ralph. Those crafty trouble makers!
 

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if you look i joined in 2003. Have owned 6 vipers to date. Have over 1600 post.

hope that helps you to understand

That does not mean a thing Steve. Regardless of how many Vipers you had, youstill arent a member here. I am but still cant post freely. I own 6 Vipers now.
 
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i agree totally. It was the alleys fault chrysler sent the letter to the vca. It is also the fault of the alley for tim sending the letter to sergio about ralph. Those crafty trouble makers!

so easy pack on attack! So so predictable

and now your giving yourselves self pity omg! How funny
 

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Oh and BTW, your behavior is exactly how the old regime got us to where we are today. Just because you originally joined in 2003 (not real sure why enthusiast have join dates) and have owned 6 Vipers, that you are somehow special.

If you truly want to help the VCA, then every member is equal.

if you look i joined in 2003. Have owned 6 vipers to date. Have over 1600 post.

hope that helps you to understand
 

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so easy pack on attack! So so predictable

and now your giving yourselves self pity omg! How funny

I am agreeing with you - it Is the Alleys fault Tim, a *** member, and landlord for the VPA, sent a letter to Sergio crying about Ralph. The Alley tricked him into it.

They are that crafty.
 

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Don't know what wanted status has been over the years (and think his response was class-less) - but I was a paying member since 2003, 3 VOI's, and participated in every raffle since then - so I figure my contribution was somewhere in the neighborhood of $5k. Chose to NOT renew this year for many of the EXACT reasons that the club is in the current predicament. Bylaw changes, lack of transparency, lack of financial accountability, ridiculous censorship on this board.

Only way that I could "vote" my opinion was not to rejoin the club.

Any idiot can buy a viper.. Or 6.... Show us where you gave this precious club your financial support
 

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7. im with you john!

anyone else ?

wanted

I think that you should have posted this in the members only section, if you only "wanted" VCA members to respond to the thread. But, then, you still would have gotten those VCA members posting that were not allowed to post their opinions here before last week.

Remember, the *** told those people that if they wanted to discuss those issues, they needed to do it somewhere else. They pushed them toward the VA to discuss what they thought was broken at the VCA. Personally, I visited the VA for the technical threads that used to be here. The other stuff didn't appeal to me and the anti-VCA stuff sounded paranoid delusional conspiracy-theoristic. Well, the latest developments make it seem like not so crazy talk. I agree that there is a lot of pack mentality; but, not any more than what goes on with discussing politics.

Oh, and kudos for innovative use of color and font size.
 
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Any idiot can buy a viper.. Or 6.... Show us where you gave this precious club your financial support

DOES (US) MEAN VIPERALLEY AS IN NEW VIPER CLUB?

TELL YOU WHAT, YOU ANSWER THIS AND I WILL ANSWER
YOUR QUESTION. OK? OK? REALLY OK?

1. WHO WILL BE ACTING AS PRESIDENT OF NEW CLUB?
2. IS THE NEW ACTING PRESIDENT EVER BEEN ON THE *** OF VCA
3. IF SO WHEN AND DATES
4. IS ANY TEMPORARY OFFICER OF NEW CLUB EVER BEEN ON THE
*** OF THE VCA
5. IF SO WHEN AND DATES
6. WHO ARE YOUR TEMPORARY OFFICERS
7. I SEE THERE WILL BE A FEE TO JOIN YOUR NEW CLUB, WHAT
IS IT FOR?
8. WHY DO YOU EVEN VISIT THIS SITE WHEN YOU WANT NOTHING
MORE TO DO WITH THE VCA? SEEMS TO ME YOU ENJOY IT OR
WANT TO CAUSE AS MUCH DAMAGE POSSIBLE TO HELP YOUR
NEW CLUB PULL IN MEMBERS FROM HERE
9. HOW DID YOUR NEW CLUB GET PERSONAL EMAILS OF MEMBERS
HERE
10. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE PACK YOU RUN WITH, JUST
CURIOUS.

****ITS A OPTION TO ANSWER NO. 10****
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I am not renewing next year either, nor will I join the Alley! People who think their status (or # of cars) give them more influence than another is the reason our VCA is tanking. Show me your sense of entitlement and I'll show you how little I care..
 

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#1-#9 I'm not joining, nor am I affiliated with another national club or the viper alley.
#10 WE are 100+ owners and 300 cars strong. Yes we too have multiple car owners..
 

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DOES (US) MEAN VIPERALLEY AS IN NEW VIPER CLUB?

TELL YOU WHAT, YOU ANSWER THIS AND I WILL ANSWER
YOUR QUESTION. OK? OK? REALLY OK?

1. WHO WILL BE ACTING AS PRESIDENT OF NEW CLUB?
2. IS THE NEW ACTING PRESIDENT EVER BEEN ON THE *** OF VCA
3. IF SO WHEN AND DATES
4. IS ANY TEMPORARY OFFICER OF NEW CLUB EVER BEEN ON THE
*** OF THE VCA
5. IF SO WHEN AND DATES
6. WHO ARE YOUR TEMPORARY OFFICERS
7. I SEE THERE WILL BE A FEE TO JOIN YOUR NEW CLUB, WHAT
IS IT FOR?
8. WHY DO YOU EVEN VISIT THIS SITE WHEN YOU WANT NOTHING
MORE TO DO WITH THE VCA? SEEMS TO ME YOU ENJOY IT OR
WANT TO CAUSE AS MUCH DAMAGE POSSIBLE TO HELP YOUR
NEW CLUB PULL IN MEMBERS FROM HERE
9. HOW DID YOUR NEW CLUB GET PERSONAL EMAILS OF MEMBERS
HERE
10. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE PACK YOU RUN WITH, JUST
CURIOUS.

****ITS A OPTION TO ANSWER NO. 10****
:rolaugh:

Why all the questions about the new club? Why do you care? Save the VCA, shouldn't matter what the new club is doing
 
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